Violences en France ?

Alexa · 11-06-2005, 08:33 PM

What's happening in France ? They annonced on the news the situation was really bad.

Leto · 11-06-2005, 10:01 PM

Everything started when 3 kids who thought they had police on trail tried to escape and enter a electricity component (transformateur if you can translate Alexa), two of them died. Was the police on their trail ? Why ? Investigation are still in the process.

In the same city, youth went mad and attacked police and firemen, our dear Interior minister (who already had very harsh and disrespectful world for every inhabitants of this type of neighbourhood, and not only the ones with problem with law) made his show on security and so on without real effect. Which led to a second and third night of violence.
Then Wednesday, a handbomb was launched inside a mosque (muslim temple), the same model our SWAT brigad use. Luckily nobody was harmed but still no culprit is found. And there's heavy suspiscion some of the police or agent provocateur did it on purpose. Which is worse as Wednesday night was a very important date in muslim calendar (the night before Eid - similar to Christian's Holy Friday or Yom Kippour in jewish faith) and islam is the second religion here.

Now, violence has spread in every ghetto, because these neighbourhoods accumulate problems for so long, youth there has absolutly no hope into their future. And so far, governement doesn't do anything.

Alexa · 11-07-2005, 12:10 AM

Gee, looks like a revolution. I hope those from the government will move thier lazy a** and do something before somebody else dies.

(transformateur= transformer)

Leto · 11-07-2005, 12:15 AM

It's not a revolution yet. We had something quite similar in the 80s and another in the 90s.
So far, governement remains inactive except for the talk-shows. They hope that, as always, inhabitants of the ghetto will stop this by themselves (that's what happened the last 2 times).

Edit : Prime Minister will detail his future action, tomorrow evening at 8 PM (GMT+1).

Alexa · 11-07-2005, 12:18 AM

You mean, they couldn't get anything to improve their life ?

Leto · 11-07-2005, 12:29 AM

Geez it's a complex situation.
People there (and I was there for 22 years) are mostly migrants or migrant-child. Unlike me (migrant-child from European country), most of them come from former colonies (Algeria, Morroco, Vietnam, Senegal and so on), hence are treated as second-grade citizen. They are hugely mostly unemployed : current figures are in one home out of 2, one or two adults are unemployed and looking for a job, 1/3 of young adults there don't have any job. And grouped by ethnicity, hence with very low need to integrate the rest of the population.

Alexa · 11-07-2005, 01:34 PM

Hmm. I suppose the majority of them have illegal status.

Leto · 11-07-2005, 01:36 PM

No, the majority of them have legal status. And worse the majority of them are French.

Alexa · 11-08-2005, 01:54 AM

Then the govenrnement has to encourage those "entrepreneurs" who can offer the best job opportunities. Otherwise, those people have to find another country.You are right. The situation is complex.

(our reporters presented the facts as a war status in France

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Leto · 11-08-2005, 08:41 AM

The situation is complex, because since the 70s, none of our successive government never done anything on the long term for these ghettos. Why ? Simply because they're good electoral scarecrow to use when playing on fear of populations. The current situation scares me (because I can relate to both parts, the one burning the cars and the one having their cars burned) and sadden me, but also surprises me a lot than it didn't explode like this much earlier.

To be clear, when I use ghetto word don't imagine some favelas or crack building, imagine simple lots of high buildings for living one or two miles away from downtown, with absolutly nothing in except the basics : one school, one police station, one gymnasium. Maybe one bakery but not always, hardly no supermarket, no classic shops, nothing. If you want to get out, you have to take your car or mass transportation (and they're rare in these places), if you don't have car or money for mass transportation, what's left ? Tagging alone with others in front of the building... Add to this extreme poverty and current glorification by media of R'n'B and Rap video clips bling-bling way of life, and the fact most of these kids never saw their own parents working because underemployement, and you'd have a better image of the situation.